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~ In This Extract ~
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New Releases:
Tour Dates & Info:
-Denver show fan review
-Toronto show fan review
-Toronto show setlist
-Chicago show fan review
-NYC show setlist
-Atlant show fan review
-Random facts collected by Stratton Davis
Interviews & Reviews:
-NY review from Rolling Stone
Other News:
-latest chart info
-Summertime video on the net
-Something official is about to happen
-Sundays live chat event
-irc chat guide
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~ New Releases ~
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~ Tour Dates & Info ~
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:47:51 -0800 (PST)
From: michael measel
Subject: A very old review...
Well, ok, its only from the Denver show on the 22nd
of November (but relatively speaking, this is an old
review).
Anyway, just wanted to give my impressions of the
Sundays (live) since this was the first time i saw
them up close and in person (ok, not really that
close either!!!!). Since my friends didn't care too
much for the opening act we didn't get to the theatre
until the Sundays were about to take the stage. But,
we managed to get a pretty good view of the stage and
Harriet (wow!!!).
Overall, i thought the show was
outstanding. Harriet's melodic and dreamlike voice
was enough to send shivers down one's spine. Again,
though they were a bit heavy on the bass. It was
very difficult to pick up the vocals, which is why
someone kept yelling out "turn up the vocals." To
which Harriet responded, "i'm doing the best that i
can!!" Oh well, the world certainly isn't perfect.
For that matter, i thought the set list was kinda'
short. Was just wondering if they usually do a short
set or what??? To me, that really was the only
disappointing part.
SET LIST:
1. CAN'T BE SURE
2. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
3. CRY
4. I KICKED A BOY
5. MEDICINE
6. ANOTHER FLAVOUR
7. WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU (ACCOUSTIC)
8. HOMEWARD (ACCOUSTIC)
9. MONOCHROME
10. MY FINEST HOUR
11. GOODBYE
1st ENCORE
12. SHE
13. HERE'S WHERE THE STORY ENDS
2nd ENCORE
14. JOY
15. SUMMERTIME
Apparently we (at the Denver show) weren't worthy of
a third encore that i've been hearing soooo much
about. Unless they turned the lights back off as we
all had left?!?!?!? Must have been the beach balls
that were floating around the theatre.
Other than that, i thought it was a very, very
excellent show -- was most impressed. Hope i get the
chance to see them live again.
Michael
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:08:07 -0500
From: Chris Craig
Subject: re. Toronto Show review
It's been a couple days since the show, enough time to digest all the
sensory information gobbled up Friday night.
What can I say that hasn't already been said? Maybe I'll start from the
beginning.
>From when the doors opened to Garrison Star's act: selections from
Garrison Star was not too bad. She has short blond hair, which she wears
spiked up at the back. Her first song was good, the second not bad, and
then a couple of stinkers. Her best song (surprise) is the single,
Superhero. Some Bjorkesque moments to this one. She closed with another
stinker. One of her songs is about a friend that turned out to suck (her
words), and part of the lyrics are "they think I'm angry at the world, well
I'm not angry at the world, I'm just angry at you". Could've fooled me.
Her singing was emotional, but her playing wasn't.
Songs from Barry White followed. When the lights flickered, and everyone
rushed to the stage, most were a little upset that a Sinatra song was
played first. Of course, as a member of the list, I knew it was coming.
After they came out, it took a few minutes for the cheering to stop, all
the while Harriet kept trying to mention the name of the first song. It
was mostly a small group of people right in front of her, who got most of
her attention for the rest of the night. (So get up front, and be really
obnoxious if you want her to notice you). After Can't Be Sure, someone
threw up a piece of paper and the bunch kept yelling "read the set list!"
Harriet looked at her own set list, back at them, and said "I'm reading the
set list". The group said "no, that set list" pointing to the piece of
paper. Harriet noticed it and promised a few times that she would read it
later. (I understand that it was a list of every song the Sundays ever
recorded or performed.)
She also said "My you have good lungs" to one person, and then apologized
for it. After 3 or 4 songs, she said "What do you do for an act?" with a
big smile.
Someone yelled "Nice shirt" to David, and he gave a thumbs up. (For those
interested, he was wearing an orange t-shirt with blue stripes on the arms.
Harriet was wearing the Wild Horses outfit - black velvet top with
coveralls.) Near the end of the set, someone yelled out "How's the kid",
and David said "How's the kid? She's a psycho!". Patch even got an
acknowledgement from the crowd, and he smiled and waved. Harriet mentioned
that they had the frilliest dressing room they've ever seen, and we should
go and see it when they've cleared out.
The first few songs didn't have a great mix (not enough Harriet, mostly).
As with the other shows, it took them a while to get into stride. I felt
it was Goodbye when they finally warmed up enough. Harriet danced around a
lot more, used her hands, etc.
The right channel dropped out for an entire song (My Finest Hour), and
didn't pick up again until after Goodbye started. No-one in the band made
any indication that they knew what happened, until it came back.
I felt that I Kicked a Boy was too slow, but I liked Joy as they played it.
The mystery song (1st song of 3rd encore, if I'm not mistaken) I would
assume is Turkish. I only made a few of the lyrics out, and I promptly
forgot them anyway. The whole time the song was played, the entire
audience stood there enthralled.
Right at the end, Harriet said "we'll be back, just not tonight".
So that's it.
CUo, A
Chris
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 01:23:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel Lee
Subject: My Toronto Experience!
The opening act GARISION STAR...oh well! Anyways...
The wait has finally come to an end. The last five years have come down to
this moment. The show started early (7pm) but that was not a problem for me
cause that's less of a wait. I dont't know if it was the light buzz I had
but that was the greatest show I've to all my life. It wasn't roudy or
anything like that but Harriet has the most beautiful voice that this God's
earth has ever listened to. She was great to look at in those cute blue
-jean overalls over a black velvet shirt (She's so cute) and her voice still
leaves me in a dazt to this day. There didn't seem to be any technical
difficulties expept for a blown amp during FINEST HOUR and it wasn't till
the next song GOODBYE that it came back on (I honestly didn't notice the
blown amp till the thing THUMPED back on!). BTW I was in the second row of
people from the stage right behing a roudy group that contilued to heckle at
Harriet in a funny sort of way by throwing up their own version of a
set-list (Harriet seemed to be amused). I don't hink that I've been to a
show with as many encores as this one (3 of them!). Anyways the encores got
me more in to the show. I got a hold of a set-list so here it is
1. Can't Be Sure
2. What Do You Think
3. Cry
4. I Kicked A Boy
5. Medicine
4. Another Flavour
5. When I'm Thinking
6. Homward (This was a typo on the setlist)
7. Monochrome
8. Finest Hour
9. Goodbye
Encore #1
10. She
11. Heres Where (Shortened on the set-list version)
Encore #2
12. Joy
13. Summertime
Encore #3
14. Turkish
15. Hideous (Sortened on Set-list agian for Hideous Town)
*and on top of it I have Harriet's foot print on my set list!!!
After the show my friends and I waited for Harriet and Dave to come out for
a little over an hour and let me tell you if you're going to a future show,
it's worth the wait. They both couldn't have been any nicer. The stuck
around to sign autographs and chat for as long as you wanted. I asked Dave
about the "WILD HORSES" heckler and he denied it sayng it's an internet
prank! Then he punched me on the shoulder! OUCH! And Harriet? Well I didn't
really talk to her...I was a little Awww Struck in her presence so a
friendly exchange of smiles was done instead. What I really regret is not
bringing my camera cause they were letting fans take pictures with them
after the show for the people that waited an hour and some change.
BTW My Summerime T-Shirt Kicks Ass!
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:41:39 -0500
From: Michael Miller
Subject: Re: Chicago show/ now Philly show
Amir et al,
Greetings from Philadelphia. A few quick thoughts from between my buzzing ears
on the show tonight. The music was beautiful and the band surreal. The lighting
effects were simple yet very effective.
I don't have a complete recollection yet of the set list; however, they opened
with "Can't Be Sure", and the setlist included: "Cry", "Monochrome", "Hideous
Towns" (yeah!), "I Won", "I Kicked A Boy", "I Can't Wait", "Goodbye" and a few
others which are dancing about my head at the moment. There were 2 encores: the
first was "She" and "HWTSE", the second was "Joy" and "Summertime". All logistics
aside, the highlights (imho) were "Cry", "She", "Hideous Towns", "HWTSE" & "I
Kicked a Boy". Everything flowed during "Cry" and "She", the red/amber lights upon
the band combined with a flawless execution of the music. Harriett seemed at her
passionate best during "Hideous Towns", "HWTSE" and "I Kicked a Boy". She is at
home with the old stuff as the rest of us 8). During "I Kicked a Boy", the blue
spot shining up from behind her left side echoed a daunting 15 foot shadow of
Harriet on the left wall of the hall to my left & behind me, I only noticed because
Harriett kept staring at the mural of Philadelphia on that wall, and I was
wondering what it was she was so focused on.
The audience tonight was pathetic in short. I would estimate no less than 75%
came to hear the song that was last. The band would've done themselves and the
rest of us a favor and played it ("S'time") earlier in the set so those folks would
go home so that the rest of us could enjoy the show. It was a primarily teenage
audience typical of the local hit radio station's concerts (looked to be mostly
high-school age). The most enthusiastic respones came from "S'time", "HWTSE" and
the quick joke made by Harriett at a heckler who was screaming "God made me!!!" to
which Harriett replied, "I am happy for you." There were also quite a few screams
for "WH". Fortunately, I found a couple not much older than myself a few rows back
from the stage who were fans of the old stuff. With the little standing space that
we had being forever compacted by the folks in back of us (I was about 6 rows of
people from the stage), we still managed to dance a bit.
To summarize, the band really sounded wonderful. Their stage presence is
enormous, the presentation of the music flawless. The only songs I would have
liked to have heard are "Love" and "Turkish". It's been love ever since the first
time 4 years ago I tripped upon "Love" in the studio while training for my late
night college radio show (Nashville loves the Sundays!)
Michael
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:52:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "C. Kosinski"
Subject: Re: the NYC set list
My brother grabbed harriets set list off the stage and gave it to me
it reads as follows:
CANT BE SURE
WHAT DO YOU THINK
CRY
I KICKED A BOY
MEDICINE
ANOTHER FLAVOUR
WHEN IM THINKING
HOMWARD
MONOCHROME
FINEST HOUR
GOODBYE
SHE
HERES WHERE
JOY
SUMMERTIME
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Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 02:22:32 -0500
From: Brad Baylor
Subject: Atlanta!!! (a wee bit long)
WOW! That was cool!
I just got back from seeing the show(s) at the Variety Playhouse in
Atlanta. The trip wasn't as long as I thought it would be. It only took 6
hours to get there and 7 to get back. The fact that traffic was doing 80-90
MPH on the way up might have something to do with the short trip... I love
it. Civil disobediance. People voting with their right foot. The arbitrary
speed laws are stupid and only for revenue generation and should be
ignored. Reasonable and prudent should be the rule (like Montana). The
drive was pleasant too (except for certain speed trap parts in Georgia).
Fortunately they didn't get me again! Heh heh... People were actually
moving to the right lane after passing, and passing in a timely manner!
None of the idiotic passing lane blocking crap that goes on in Tampa.
Anyway... I digress. I had a better time then I could have possibly
imagined. Garrison Star went on at about 8:30 and played about 45 minutes.
I thought she was quite good, no where near bad like some other reviews on
the list made her out to be. The Sundays show started a bit late at around
10:00 pm. The place was a large theater with a capacity of I would guess
3000. It was sold out and packed. I managed to get about 20 feet from the
stage (to the left where David was playing). The mix sounded very good,
much of that I think was from the excellent acoustics of the theater. I
didn't write the set list down, but it was very similar if not the same as
most of the later shows. There were three encores, with Turkish being part
of the 3rd one. I had never seen a band with three encores before!
After the show ended, I hung around inside. Security hassled me a few times
to leave, but I insisted on staying to meet the band. I mentioned I was a
member of the Arithmetic list and that Harriet and David had met with fans
at the other shows. About 5 other fans were waiting with me. It seems
security wasn't told that fans wanting to meet the band would be allowed to
stay. Geffens's rep was there and OKed us staying. About 15 other fans were
waiting outside by the tour bus too. After about 30 minutes, Harriet and
David came out and mingled. Like everyone else has said, they were very
friendly and approachable. They stayed about about 45 minutes talking with
everyone, signing autographs, and posing for pictures (damn I forgot my
camera!). I was hoping to meet Patch and Paul, but I guess they don't enjoy
us obsessive fans' company as much. David loved the attention and didn't
want to leave (it was about 12:30pm and they did have to get up fairly
early the next morning for the benefit show... see below). Harriet was a
getting bit annoyed that David was enjoying all the attention so much and
didn't want to leave.
As far as meeting other people from the list there, I had my + on my hand
but didn't meet anyone until after the show where I met Kevin Hales who was
talking with David. One fan I met named Lizette won the "who's traveling
the farthest contest" Cynthia has on her webpage. She saw the San Francisco
show, but wanted to see them again and flew to Atlanta from San Francisco.
I think that beats Winslow Man by quite a bit. She came with a friend and
also went to the Saturday show.
Harriet was drinking a beer after the show, and she set it on the armrest
of one of the theater chairs. As gravity would have it, it slid off and
went crashing to the floor. Harriet paused for a moment and jokingly said,
"I wonder whose that was". Heh heh... one obsessed fan picked up the
largest chunk of broken glass and kept it. I can hear her (the obsessed
fan) bragging to her friends, "and this is the beer bottle Harriet Wheeler
broke". Heh heh heh...
The best part had yet to come. I was listening to David talk to another fan
and he mentioned they were doing a Toys for Tots benefit show Saturday at
12:30 pm in the same place. The local radio station 99X had organized it.
The station was giving out 600 tickets. Apparently during the week they
announced it and said to bring 3 toys at like 7:00 am Friday morning to get
a ticket. Some guys I talked to said they were there at 4 am in line with
toys. Well, as luck would have it, the station decided to give out 200 more
tickets Saturday but had not announced it yet, except to us lucky few
chatting with H&D. Just show up early with 3 toys before the show. I got
there about 10:00 am with my toys. No one was there yet so I waited in my
car for about 30 minutes until people started showing up. The air
temperature was 26 F with a bit a wind. Being used to the warm Tampa Bay
area weather, I was freezing my ass off. I survived the hour and a half
wait to get in and was treated to the best show I've ever seen. There were
about only about 700 people in this huge place. I easily got right up to
the stage and was mere feet away from my favorite musicians. It was like a
private show for a few select fans. Needless to say, it was pretty damn
cool! The set wasn't as long as the night before, mainly because the band's
flight back to the UK was to depart in the mid afternoon. Harriet also did
some modifications the set list halfway through.
Here are the songs I copied off the list taped on the stage:
Can't Be Sure
I Kicked A Boy
Cry
Another Flavor
When I'm Thinking About You
Homeward
My Finest Hour
She
Goodbye
Summertime
Encore:
Turkish
Hideous Towns
Well, after My Finest Hour, Harriet walks over to David, whispers something
in his ear, and then runs over to the sound guy and whispers the same
thing, and they add Here's Where The Story Ends to the set. That was really
cool, because that is one of my favorites. They did drop Turkish in the
encore because of the waiting plane. The show also started a bit late, at
about 12:45. I hope they made their flight ok. So after waiting 4 1/2
years, I got to see two shows in 16 hours :->
I can't really criticize any of the songs played, because they were all so
damn good. A few stuck out as sounding really good: Goodbye, She,
Summertime, HWTSE, Can't Be Sure, Monochrome, and Hideous Towns. Technical
difficuties were nearly nonexistant. On Saturday's show, David seemed a bit
concered about a slight hum that developed in his monitor overnight, but
decided it was ok. The only delay was about a minute long when he was
fixing something on one of his guitars. He had quite a few different
guitars! He had like 6 or 7 effects pedals too. He said he only uses two or
three usually, but likes to have the rest there as good luck charms or
something. He has an interesting humorous personality and loves to talk tech.
Patch seemed to be having a really good time banging the drums. I don't
think I've ever seen a drummer smile so much. It was kinda mesmorizing
watching him. Paul was having a good time on bass as well. It doesn't look
like he does much when playing, but you can sure hear it in the backing of
the songs. Mystery guitarist was quite good as well. I asked David his name
but I can't remember it at the moment. David totally gets into his playing
and you can see he totally loves it. The star, of course, is Harriet, who
was having a wonderful time. Watching her make those beautiful sounds just
sent shivers all over my body. She had the prettiest smile while taking in
the applause after each song. She wore blue jean coveralls and looked just
so damn pretty and cute in them. The band just seems to really enjoy
performing. So I wonder why Patch and Paul may be leaving the band? Or are
they not? The band seems better than they have ever been.
I enjoyed Saturday's "private" show much more because I had some breathing
room and space to actually dance to the music. Being right up at the stage
was pretty cool too. One thing I noticed about Sundays fans is that they
really, really like this band. It's not like going to a Sundays show is
something they do to pass the time. I could just hear it in the volume of
yealps and applause from the crowd. It's enthusiasm one does not hear
often. And one other thing I noticed talking to several people; Sundays
fans seem above average in education and sophistication. Perhaps the
Sundays' music style takes some intelligence to appreciate? Anyone else
notice these things? Or am I doing too much thinking...
Blah blah blah... It's late and I must go to sleep.
Brad Baylor :o)
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From: "Stratton Davis"
Subject: Q and A with Dave and Harriet
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:44:48 -0600
Below is a rundown of the questions and answers I got from Dave and Harriet
during the time I got to spend with them after the Boston and NYC shows.
It's in no particular order. Some of this may be old news to some of
you...sorry in advance. I know there is some stuff here that will be of
interest to many.
- The next single(if there is one) will most likely be 'When I'm Thinking
About You'. That's Dave and Harriet's favorite song off the new album.
They have one more unreleased track for use as a b-side, according to
Harriet. Dave said they very well might finally record 'Turkish' for use
here as well.
- 'So Much' is on the Geffen release and not the Parlophone release because
Geffen pressured for another song. This is just the one they chose...this
could also be the other b-side Harriet was referring to. I didn't think
about this until later.
- They have never performed 'I Feel' live. When I asked Harriet why she
didn't really know. She turned and asked Dave. He didn't really know.
She seemed really pleased that I liked the song so much. I get the feeling
they also really like that song...which makes you wonder why they haven't
played it live. Maybe they will take a hint!
- There *IS* a video for 'Goodbye'...although Dave said it's not very good
in his opinion. I can't imagine how it would be bad though. I told them
they should release an official video compilation. They both acted like
they hadn't really ever thought of it. But they did seem interested in the
idea.
- There are two videos for 'I Can't Be Sure'. Apparently one was made very
early(maybe for Rough Trade?) and a subsequent record company didn't really
like it. They made another one(white background on the Arithmetic Comp.)
which is what is shown...when it's shown!
- The 'Cry' video is complete and has been shown a couple of times but the
record company doesn't like it. They want The Sundays to do another one.
Dave and Harriet seem to like it...even though they both admit there is not
much of them in it and they said they look like shit because they had been
up all night.
- The fruit theme in their work is apparently something from close to home.
Harriet says they have tons of plastic fruit in their house. I guess it's
just a theme from their lives that has carried over into their art.
- The official lyrics for RWA were included on the Japanese release. Dave
said he didn't think it would be hard at all to get those to the list. I
got the impression he would gladly send them(and any others we were curious
about) via email. Since they are not online themselves yet, maybe this is
something we could obtain via Raymond Coffer and Cynthia's connection.
- Kevin, the extra tour guitarist, is a close friend of Dave and Harriet's.
He actually went to school with them. He is a very nice and friendly guy.
According to him, Dave and Harriet want to have another child and that
may(along with Billie) keep them from touring extensively in the future.
He said he was sure they would continue making music but they might not do
world tours...maybe just a few dates in the London/Paris area. Of course,
this was all speculation on his part. Dave and Harriet said the
possibility of another tour in the US in '98 was very real but it remained
to be seen. They have a lot to work out because this one barely came off
at the last minute simply due to Patch's availability to play after Vinnie
got canned.
- The video for HWTSE was shot in an old warehouse in London.
- They are very proud of their live music. The reason they haven't
released more of it is because they don't have that much on tape.
According to Dave, it's an area that they can't completely control(due to
different sound engineers, etc.) and therefore they haven't always been
satisfied with what was recorded. He is, however, extremely proud of the
1988 4-track demos that were released on the second 'Cry' single.
That's all I can think of right now. If I come up with more then I will
pass it on.
I've got a rather long 'tour story' that I will be glad to share with
anyone who is interested. I decided not to send it to the entire list
after I typed it because it's just really long and might not be of interest
to everyone. Just email me privately if you'd like to read it and I'll
forward it to you.
Cheers,
Stratton
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~ Interviews & Reviews ~
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 23:59:43 -0500
From: Craig Parker
Subject: NY Review from Rolling Stone
http://www.rollingstone.com/RandomNotesLiveItem.asp?id=531
THE SUNDAYS
The Supper Club, New
York, December 1, 1997
For anyone familiar with only the
Sundays' albums, getting psyched
up for one of their shows is no
easy task. Songwriters and band leaders
David Gavurin and Harriet Wheeler make
beautiful music for quiet dinners,
afternoon teas and college all-nighters, but
how, one might cynically sigh, could such
fragile songs hold together on stage?
Just fine, actually. While on album the
story begins and ends with Wheeler's
meltingly lovely powdered-sugar voice, on
stage the rest of the group (Gavurin,
drummer Patrick Hannan, and bassist Paul
Brindley) break out of their studio shackles
and step out of the murky studio mix and
into the sonic foreground.
Gavurin/Wheeler and Co. bravely opened
with the strongest song of their nine year,
three album career: "Can't Be Sure."
Bolstered by Hannan's assured backbeat
and built as much around Gavurin's ringing
guitar chords as Wheeler's vocals on the
nursery rhyme chorus, the song
immediately recaptured all of the early
promise of the Sundays' remarkable 1989
debut, "Reading, Writing and Arithmetic."
You would expect the band to deliver the
goods on its hit single, but it also kept up
that momentum for most of the 16 songs
that followed. "I Kicked a Boy," also from
their debut, was another highlight, but it
was neatly outdone by Gavurin's rolling,
Stonesy guitar riff on "Another Flavour,"
from the group's new album, "Static and
Silence."
Gavurin's strength as a guitarist lies in his
sense of economy. His chiming chords
(never far removed from the Byrds/U2
style book) are sparse and elegant,
providing a perfect latticework for
Wheeler's considerably more eclectic
vocals. But Wheeler, too, was a model of
consummate taste, coaxing her warm,
lilting voice around even the highest
melodies without ever straying into the
red.
Of course, the Sundays never really stray
anywhere, and if the band has a major
shortcoming, it's a lack of diversity. Strong
as it was, the Sundays' set suffered slightly
from the streak of sameness that runs
through the bulk of the band's catalog.
Many of the slower, more introspective
(i.e., hookless) songs dragged live as much
as they do on record, although Wheeler's
self-effacing charm counterbalanced such
low points nicely. "This next one is still
quite quiet, so feel free to chat," she
offered good naturedly by way of
introduction to "Monochrome." (So polite,
these Brits. Not at all like those boorish
Gallagher brothers.)
Of course, any band -- particularly one as
normally reserved as the Sundays -- is
pushing the envelope by indulging in three
encores. To their credit, however, they do
deserve points for declining relentless
audience requests for "Wild Horses," the
Rolling Stones tune which they euthanized
on "Blind." They closed instead with "Skin
& Bones." It wasn't quite "Can't Be Sure,"
but you can dance to it.
RICHARD SKANSE
Craig
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~ Other News ~
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:15:36 -0500
From: Craig Parker
Subject: Latest US Chart Info
First,here's the US chart info for Static & Silence from the
Dec. 13th,1997 issue of Billboard:
Top 200 Albums chart: drops 14 spots to #166 in it's 10th week.
And here's the latest US chart info for "Summertime" from the Dec.
13th,1997 issue of Billboard:
Adult Top 40 : up 1 spot to #14 with a bullet in it's 9th week.
Rock Big Picture chart: drops off the chart after 13 weeks.
Modern Rock Tracks chart: drops 5 spots to #27 in it's 15th week.
Hot 100 Airplay chart: holds at #50 in it's 12th week.
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 08:26:26 MDT -0600
From: MAGNET FOR RANDOM GUNFIRE
Subject: summertime video sight
Hey everyone,
A few days ago, someone posted the address to go see the clip from
summertime on the net. A friend of mine and I were dinkin' around and
discovered that the whole video is actaully at the sight. If you have
RealPlayer you can watch the whole thing if you put this address in: (watch
out, it's a complicated one)
http://ramhaul.real.com/cgi-bin/ramhaul.chi?ram=sundays_OM_16k-high_100.rm&
street="00:00:00.000"&end="00:04:00.0000"
there are no spaces at all in the address. It should work and it takes about
10 minutes for it to buffer the data. Unfortunately, we couldn't find a way to
either download the data or record the picture. Oh well. Hope you enjoy it.
John
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From: Cynthia C Y Tsao
Subject: SUNDAYS relations
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 03:51:57 -0800 (PST)
Good Morning Fellow Arithmeticians,
Before I hit the sack, I'd like to mention that I have
finally solidified our list's relations with The SUNDAYS'
management. I obtained permission from David and Harriet
for this to happen after the SF show, and I just got off
the phone with Darren of Raymond Coffer Management in
the UK. (FYI: RCM used to manage The Cocteau Twins. They
stopped doing so about six months ago.)
Once this mini-tour of the US is over, I'll start getting
regular updates from Darren regarding The SUNDAYS and their
immediate plans.
Hopefully, this means we will no longer be in the dark
regarding the status of our beloved band!
Again, I ask those of you attending future SUNDAYS shows
to mention your affiliation with Arithmetic if you meet
The SUNDAYS just to show that we exist all over the world! *giggle*
With that, I bid you adieu para ahora.
:) Cynthia
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 22:39:12 -0600
From: Jason Graham
Subject: The SUNDAYS Live Chat Event
The Sundays In Concert Live Chat Event will take place on Monday,
December 15th at 9 PM Eastern. Sign up at
http://www.execpc.com/~jjgraham/sundays/event.htm or just stop in on the
15th at http://www.execpc.com/~jjgraham/sundays/chat.htm
You will need a Java enabled browser to chat. Chat about a show you saw
in your area, and hear what others have to say about their shows. Hope
to see you there!
Jason
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:03:11 +0100
From: Patrick Asselman
Subject: Re: IRC stuff
At 23:48 01-12-97 -0800, you wrote:
>ok, so i've figured out that i can IRC from my account,
>but i dunno much about how it works.
>
>what should i type to get to any one of the IRC
>locations? what do i do once i get there?
>what are the basic commands? how do i set up an
>identity?
>
>can someone give me in a nutshell what i need to do to
>get there? i've been searching for instructions in old
>posts and have had no luck.
>
>:) cynthia
most basic commands (leave out the "<" and ">"s):
/nick - set your nickname to
/join # - join channel
/leave # - leave the channel
/who # - see who is on the channel
/whois - see who is behind the nickname
/away - let people know you are away (message people
get when they do a /who
/away - let people know you are no longer away
/help - help
Now for the sundays part:
/nick - set up your nickname
/server irc.dal.net - connect to a dalnet server
/join #the-sundays - join the sundays channel
/who #the-sundays - see if anyone else is there
There are several separate irc-systems. Dalnet is one of them. The channel
#the-sundays is on the Dalnet system. The messages you get after joining
are from the server. (It's the only registered Sundays channel i know.)
---PAtrick---
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